workday-ict-20090824: 8-24-09-wordaylog

Aug 24 13:44:27 *       jamiem (~jamie@cpe-74-64-11-156.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #ussf
Aug 24 13:59:01 <deleuzer>      hi jamiem 
Aug 24 14:00:34 <jamiem>        hey ross.
Aug 24 14:01:02 *       mallory1 (~mallory@cpe-74-64-11-156.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #ussf
Aug 24 14:04:03 <mallory1>      hi
Aug 24 14:04:10 <jamiem>        howdy mallory
Aug 24 14:05:14 <jamiem>        so... shall we get started?
Aug 24 14:06:44 <deleuzer>      let's go
Aug 24 14:07:40 <mallory1>      yep!
Aug 24 14:08:17 <deleuzer>      Do we want to discuss the issue about ussf...org/tracker today?
Aug 24 14:08:32 <jamiem>        whats the org/tracker issue ?
Aug 24 14:08:48 <deleuzer>      .../tracks
Aug 24 14:09:21 <deleuzer>      webform for determining the tracks for the forum
Aug 24 14:09:27 <jamiem>        ah.
Aug 24 14:09:29 <mallory1>      it's a feature requested by the program/culture committee
Aug 24 14:09:38 <jamiem>        i see. 
Aug 24 14:09:54 <jamiem>        i think the voting mechanism is our most immediate  need
Aug 24 14:10:02 <mallory1>      i started a ticket. http://ict.ussf2010.org/ticket/138
Aug 24 14:10:03 <jamiem>        since the npc wants to use it starting on thursday
Aug 24 14:10:13 <jamiem>        (even though that ticket preceeds it)
Aug 24 14:10:30 <mallory1>      yes, and this request also needs voting stuff...so yeah. and the program/culture folks want to start using this on friday.
Aug 24 14:10:42 <mallory1>      but we should do the voting stuff for the npc first.
Aug 24 14:11:19 <deleuzer>      Okay, let's tackle that first.  My leaning is toward the webform module.
Aug 24 14:11:40 <jamiem>        my thinking on the split domains has been evolving... I still think that community.ussf2010.org and www.ussf2010.org should be separated. However, I'm starting to feel like many of the other things all belong together on the social networking site.
Aug 24 14:12:00 <jamiem>        (i.e. organize.ussf2010.org - including the voting mechanism).
Aug 24 14:12:21 <jamiem>        is that strategy ok with you two? or do we need to discuss where to put this stuff more?
Aug 24 14:12:43 <mallory1>      deleuzer, cck all the way!
Aug 24 14:12:52 <deleuzer>      My only concern w/ the npc is their desire for secrecy.
Aug 24 14:13:04 <deleuzer>      mallory1, :-)
Aug 24 14:13:21 <mallory1>      jamiem did a great job of talking cindy into posting the applications sans contact info
Aug 24 14:14:17 <jamiem>        yeah - I'm a bit put off by the npc's desire for secrecy.
Aug 24 14:14:24 <mallory1>      and i agree that we should think about organize.ussf2010.org as a place where people are contributing online in many different ways. so even if we're going with www.ussf2010.org/tracks, that it point to organize.ussf2010.org/tracks
Aug 24 14:14:58 <deleuzer>      I think that works...what about workshop proposals?
Aug 24 14:15:24 <jamiem>        do you mean in terms of secrecy? or in terms of which domain to post them on ?
Aug 24 14:15:45 <deleuzer>      domain...I'll try to explain secrecy concern.
Aug 24 14:15:53 <jamiem>        I think organize.ussf2010.org
Aug 24 14:16:03 <deleuzer>      I support that as well...
Aug 24 14:16:04 <jamiem>        to help with the cross-workshop collaboration goal.
Aug 24 14:16:27 <jamiem>        mallory1: does that work for you too?
Aug 24 14:16:51 <deleuzer>      So about the secrecy...I'm concerned about having to have discrete permissions for npc and everyone else.
Aug 24 14:17:22 <jamiem>        yeah - that's a terrible precedent for us to set.
Aug 24 14:17:39 <jamiem>        perhaps we should discuss our ideal use case for the voting mechanism.
Aug 24 14:18:11 <jamiem>        then consider how we might implement it.
Aug 24 14:18:30 <mallory1>      yes, organize.ussf2010.org, for sure.
Aug 24 14:18:55 <mallory1>      there was talk of using a drupal module for the rating system
Aug 24 14:19:05 <jamiem>        I think the ideal use case for the voting mechanism would be something along the lines of:
Aug 24 14:19:15 <jamiem>         * create a resolution
Aug 24 14:19:34 <jamiem>         * decide what kind of voting system (simple majority, 2/3, consensus), etc.
Aug 24 14:19:54 <jamiem>         * Maybe allow for votes and comments to be public/private
Aug 24 14:20:02 <jamiem>        * specify the email addresses of those who are allowed to vote??
Aug 24 14:20:16 <jamiem>        * save it. It notifies voters??
Aug 24 14:20:30 <jamiem>        * voters get link via email, click on link, login (to ensure you can't vote twice)
Aug 24 14:20:34 <jamiem>        cast vote.
Aug 24 14:20:42 <jamiem>        that's rough ... what do you think?
Aug 24 14:21:13 <mallory1>      i think the decision for what kind of voting shouldn't be necessary. that's something the machine doesn't need to interpret, perhaps giving a percentage instead
Aug 24 14:21:53 <jamiem>        sure - you could type in a straight percentage - like 50% or 67% or 100%.
Aug 24 14:22:03 *       libkuman (~libkuman@pool-71-247-198-6.nycmny.east.verizon.net) has joined #ussf
Aug 24 14:22:12 <deleuzer>      hi libkuman 
Aug 24 14:22:23 <jamiem>        hey libkuman - we're currently describing the use case for the voting mechanism
Aug 24 14:22:43 <mallory1>      well, i mean if it's a 5 star system, then the average vote given, like 4.25 or whatever with also the percentage of people that have voted?
Aug 24 14:22:49 <libkuman>      hi all, i'll be half here this afternoon, just got back in town yesterday so i got a lot of little mini fires to put out, but i'll try to give as much attention as i can
Aug 24 14:23:13 <mallory1>      i guess a lot of statistics would be helpful, like mean, etc. just because yeah, then the organizers or the npc can decide "does that seem like it passes"? answers to questions
Aug 24 14:23:18 <deleuzer>      deleuzer, sends CO2
Aug 24 14:24:15 <jamiem>        sends CO2?
Aug 24 14:24:22 <deleuzer>      for putting out fires
Aug 24 14:24:28 <libkuman>      ha
Aug 24 14:24:30 <jamiem>        ah. 
Aug 24 14:24:36 <jamiem>        i just emailed you the backlog libkuman 
Aug 24 14:24:46 <jamiem>        mallory1: yeah, stats would be really good.
Aug 24 14:25:22 <deleuzer>      webforms does that pretty much automagically.
Aug 24 14:25:28 <mallory1>      having the unique link emailed for each invited user would be great.
Aug 24 14:26:31 <jamiem>        does the use case I describe seem to capture the basics?
Aug 24 14:26:54 <mallory1>      can we translate this into mass mailings? this is what the program and culture working group wants. they're also going to print their survey in left turn magazine and have people mail in responses. how could responses be tracked if it were an open call for participation, but one vote per person needed to be enforced?
Aug 24 14:27:24 <deleuzer>      We have a public/private distinction
Aug 24 14:28:21 <jamiem>        http://ict.ussf2010.org/wiki/voting_use_case
Aug 24 14:28:53 <jamiem>        mallory1: yeah - at least in the short term, as long as each vote is attributed to a login, we could be lax about enforcing one person one vote, but eventually I think it would be a lot less confusing if you simply could not vote more than once.
Aug 24 14:29:26 <jamiem>        as for massmailings... I think we'd want to use civi to do the massmailing and email a link to the vote page.
Aug 24 14:29:28 <deleuzer>      jamiem, that would not be possible for 10,000 voters I don't think
Aug 24 14:29:44 <jamiem>        deleuzer: right, good point.
Aug 24 14:30:07 <deleuzer>      I think we limit votes by email address for mass mailings
Aug 24 14:30:23 <deleuzer>      mass voting
Aug 24 14:31:33 <jamiem>        I suppose that works. Obviously people could have more than one email address. However, there's no sure way to stop people from voting twice, unless we only allowed people who have paid their registration fees to vote.
Aug 24 14:32:40 <deleuzer>      These are discrete use cases...I'm pretty sure for the culture wg they want as much input as possible (until they get it) and wouldn't worry about repeats too much
Aug 24 14:33:32 <deleuzer>      for other things, it would be more important to restrict voting.
Aug 24 14:33:58 <mallory1>      I think we shouldn't police the voting too much on the mass mailing. Someone with the same IP address from the same computer shouldn't be able to fill out the form immediately, of course. But it's going to get emailed and forwarded to many people, some without email addresses possibly.
Aug 24 14:34:34 <deleuzer>      I think the same
Aug 24 14:34:39 <jamiem>        ok
Aug 24 14:35:38 <jamiem>        I'm trying to keep up at : http://ict.ussf2010.org/wiki/voting_use_case
Aug 24 14:37:21 <jamiem>        I'm beginning to think that our best bet might be to write our own module and use the voting api: http://drupal.org/project/votingapi
Aug 24 14:38:04 <deleuzer>      I still believe in the webforms module.
Aug 24 14:38:51 <jamiem>        deleuzer: i think the webforms module might provide a bridge if we can't get all the features in time, but I don't think it can support all that we're asking for, or have I not used webform in too long?
Aug 24 14:39:35 <deleuzer>      I've never had 10,000 people vote on anything, but I've had students use it for statistical analysis
Aug 24 14:40:02 <deleuzer>      In fact, nothing we've suggested can't be accomplish with it.
Aug 24 14:40:28 <jamiem>        can you establish what percentage of votes is required to win?
Aug 24 14:40:44 <jamiem>        can you enforce only vote once based on multiple criteria?
Aug 24 14:40:55 <deleuzer>      not sure, yes
Aug 24 14:41:13 <jamiem>        yes to the second? enforce only vote once?
Aug 24 14:41:32 <deleuzer>      correct...there are a number of ways we could do that as well
Aug 24 14:41:41 <jamiem>        mallory1: do you have any thoughts - I know you mentioned cck as another approach.
Aug 24 14:42:04 <mallory1>      again, i don't think we need our website to determine who has won. we can just provide statistics so that organizing groups can interpret them
Aug 24 14:43:00 <jamiem>        ok - it sounds like webform then could meet the basic requirements. it's that tabulation part that I think webforms doesn't have.
Aug 24 14:43:14 <deleuzer>      It certainly does
Aug 24 14:43:44 <jamiem>        sorry.... not being clear... i mean it's the tabulation part that webforms *does* have - it's the declaration of the winner that it doesn't have.
Aug 24 14:44:02 <mallory1>      my understanding was that webforms has generally been replaced since cck is so robust in more recent versions of drupal
Aug 24 14:45:13 <deleuzer>      mallory1, I don't think that's the case...in fact ours is the perfect use case for webforms
Aug 24 14:45:42 <deleuzer>      no need to create new content types every time you want a vote
Aug 24 14:45:53 <jamiem>        the webforms project page has a description of when to they think you should use webforms vs. cck http://drupal.org/project/webform
Aug 24 14:46:43 <jamiem>        i think if we used cck - we could create two cck types: one would be the resolution itself and the other would be the votes (using node reference to link to the resolution).
Aug 24 14:47:02 <jamiem>        the advantage of using cck in this instance would be that we could really put the power of views to work to display the results.
Aug 24 14:47:24 <jamiem>        with webforms: can you say one webform's collected info should be public, but anothers should be private?
Aug 24 14:47:43 <deleuzer>      yes
Aug 24 14:48:27 <deleuzer>      my suggestion is to use og to determine who gets to vote...create a group for each resolution.
Aug 24 14:48:46 <deleuzer>      at least for small votes.
Aug 24 14:49:10 <jamiem>        I would suggest that we start by setting up a new drupal site for organize.ussf2010.org. install og, cck, views, webforms.
Aug 24 14:49:40 <jamiem>        I have a feeling that setting up a vote using webforms should only take 15 minutes and then we'll be able to evaluate whether, at a minimum, it will work for the npc.
Aug 24 14:49:57 <jamiem>        if it doesn't work for npc needs, we should look into cck and views.
Aug 24 14:50:03 <deleuzer>      sounds right to me.
Aug 24 14:50:09 <jamiem>        then... we can again evaluate for program/culture.
Aug 24 14:50:17 <mallory1>      i think this works for sure
Aug 24 14:50:24 <deleuzer>      where should I login (ssh)?
Aug 24 14:50:52 <jamiem>        mendes. let's share a root screen session.
Aug 24 14:50:58 <jamiem>        mallory1: i think you already have root.
Aug 24 14:51:06 <jamiem>        deleuzer: I can set you up with root now.
Aug 24 14:51:19 <deleuzer>      jamiem, cool!
Aug 24 14:51:40 <jamiem>        are you own deluze or guatari?
Aug 24 14:51:50 <deleuzer>      deleuze
Aug 24 14:52:14 <jamiem>        ok, you should be able to login as root@mendes.mayfirst.org
Aug 24 14:52:26 <jamiem>        once you are both logged in, please type:
Aug 24 14:52:28 <jamiem>        screen -x
Aug 24 14:52:34 <jamiem>        and then you should be in my screen session.
Aug 24 14:52:43 <jamiem>        you can let me know by typing, in the screen session:
Aug 24 14:53:02 <jamiem>        someone said hi :).
Aug 24 14:53:16 <jamiem>        ah. cool.
Aug 24 14:53:20 <jamiem>        it was ross.
Aug 24 14:53:26 <jamiem>        let me know when you are in mallory.
Aug 24 14:53:56 <jamiem>        in the meantime, i'm creating a dns record in the control panel for organize.ussf2010.org that points to mendes.
Aug 24 14:54:13 <mallory1>      sorry. got distracted with putting up notes. be there momentarily.
Aug 24 14:54:56 <deleuzer>      I seriously need note taking lessons :(
Aug 24 14:55:14 <deleuzer>      says the eternal student.
Aug 24 14:55:27 <jamiem>        ok... dns is entered.
Aug 24 14:55:38 <jamiem>        oops.
Aug 24 14:56:00 <jamiem>        gr.
Aug 24 14:56:19 <jamiem>        wah.
Aug 24 14:56:57 <deleuzer>      that's better
Aug 24 14:58:31 <jamiem>        so.... mallory do you want to drive?
Aug 24 14:58:56 <mallory1>      yep
Aug 24 14:59:02 <jamiem>        ok. great.
Aug 24 14:59:17 <jamiem>        since mendes is not on our contorl panel system
Aug 24 14:59:21 <jamiem>        we have to setup each web site by hand.
Aug 24 14:59:31 <mallory1>      just need to reacquaint myself for a sec
Aug 24 14:59:33 <jamiem>        we start with the apache configuration file in /etc/apache2/sites-available
Aug 24 15:00:31 <jamiem>        i'll be the running commentator...
Aug 24 15:00:44 <jamiem>        we just copied a working file - and now mallory is editing it to meet our needs.
Aug 24 15:00:45 <deleuzer>      I'll learn
Aug 24 15:01:29 <deleuzer>      whoa that's a bunch of domain names
Aug 24 15:01:51 <jamiem>        yeah - that's from the main site.
Aug 24 15:03:18 <jamiem>        debian's system has two directories for apache
Aug 24 15:03:25 <jamiem>        one directory is for sites that are available.
Aug 24 15:03:29 <jamiem>        and the other is for sites that are enabled.
Aug 24 15:03:53 <jamiem>        debian also has a handy script for "enabling" a site - which just means it creates a symlink in the "enabled" directory that points to the file in the avaialble directory.
Aug 24 15:03:53 <mallory1>      but it's just a pointer link in the enabled?
Aug 24 15:03:59 <jamiem>        yup.
Aug 24 15:04:00 <mallory1>      tada
Aug 24 15:04:02 <jamiem>        the script is:
Aug 24 15:04:06 <jamiem>        a2ensite <name-of-site>
Aug 24 15:05:03 <jamiem>        great... and now reloading apapche....
Aug 24 15:05:16 <jamiem>        woops - I said to run it but...
Aug 24 15:05:25 <jamiem>        I forgot we have not created the necessary directories yet...
Aug 24 15:05:32 <jamiem>        so - those errors are not anything we should wory about.
Aug 24 15:05:39 <jamiem>        we should just create the directory and then re-run.
Aug 24 15:05:47 <jamiem>        also - the virtualhost errors are not related to us...
Aug 24 15:06:24 <jamiem>        but ... before w e get there...
Aug 24 15:06:32 <jamiem>        we should create a user that will own the directory.
Aug 24 15:07:11 <jamiem>        this ensures that one site can't clober the other
Aug 24 15:07:43 <jamiem>        this should be a fully random password - we'll be used key based auth, so we don't actually need the password.
Aug 24 15:08:22 <jamiem>        cool. now we have a user.
Aug 24 15:08:27 <deleuzer>      mmm...does the password protect anything?
Aug 24 15:08:29 <jamiem>        so next ... we create the directory in /srv/www
Aug 24 15:09:05 <jamiem>        we need three directories:
Aug 24 15:09:06 <jamiem>        include
Aug 24 15:09:07 <jamiem>        web
Aug 24 15:09:08 <jamiem>        logs
Aug 24 15:09:30 <jamiem>        (because those are all referenced in our apache config)
Aug 24 15:09:55 <jamiem>        i would suggest we chown these direcgtories to our user
Aug 24 15:10:08 <jamiem>        chown ussf2010-organize:ussf2010-organize *
Aug 24 15:10:16 <jamiem>        so we have the proper permissions
Aug 24 15:10:32 <jamiem>        perfect
Aug 24 15:10:40 <jamiem>        now... let's create the database
Aug 24 15:10:44 <jamiem>        when you are logged in as root.
Aug 24 15:10:47 <jamiem>        you can just type: mysql
Aug 24 15:10:49 <mallory1>      rerun the restart script?
Aug 24 15:10:53 <mallory1>      for apache
Aug 24 15:11:01 <jamiem>        and you will automatically log into mysql with the root user.
Aug 24 15:11:05 <jamiem>        mallory1: yes - we can do that too.
Aug 24 15:11:16 <jamiem>        the create command in mysql is:
Aug 24 15:11:19 <jamiem>        create database <db-name>
Aug 24 15:11:22 <jamiem>        let's do:
Aug 24 15:11:24 <jamiem>        show databases
Aug 24 15:11:29 <jamiem>        to be reminded of our naming convention.
Aug 24 15:12:06 <jamiem>        i just got notified that apapche is not running.
Aug 24 15:12:14 <jamiem>        let's fixed apache
Aug 24 15:12:19 <jamiem>        /etc/init.d/apache2 start
Aug 24 15:12:30 <jamiem>        I think I was wrong about our previous error not being a big deal!
Aug 24 15:12:44 <jamiem>        let's try and fix this problem - can I drive for a sec?
Aug 24 15:12:50 <mallory1>      yep
Aug 24 15:12:52 <jamiem>        it would be nice to get this worked out so we can have clean starts.
Aug 24 15:13:52 <deleuzer>      if apache isn't running, how are any sites being served?
Aug 24 15:14:12 <jamiem>        i think what happened is:
Aug 24 15:14:20 <jamiem>        I gave the green light to reload apache before we created the directories.
Aug 24 15:14:26 <jamiem>        that caused the first error.
Aug 24 15:14:32 <jamiem>        and that was the fatal error.
Aug 24 15:14:38 <jamiem>        in addition, there are a bunch of non-fatal errors.
Aug 24 15:14:48 <jamiem>        since mallory has created the directories and we restarted, apache is now running fine.
Aug 24 15:14:54 <jamiem>        however, the non-fatal errors are still there.
Aug 24 15:15:07 <jamiem>        it would be nice to fix those so we can reload apache with no errors (making it easier to see new errors).
Aug 24 15:16:07 <jamiem>        let's see if that helps...
Aug 24 15:16:24 <jamiem>        nope...
Aug 24 15:17:17 <jamiem>        i think this error is referring to all the 2007 dev sites.
Aug 24 15:17:22 <jamiem>        I'm going to try disabling them.
Aug 24 15:18:51 <jamiem>        closer...
Aug 24 15:20:00 <jamiem>        phew.
Aug 24 15:20:05 <deleuzer>      whoohoo!
Aug 24 15:20:06 <mallory1>      awesome
Aug 24 15:20:06 <jamiem>        still not sure exactly what was wrong.
Aug 24 15:20:11 <jamiem>        but now we have a clean reload :)
Aug 24 15:20:16 <jamiem>        ok... back to mysql?
Aug 24 15:20:20 <mallory1>      ok, so we're going in to mysql
Aug 24 15:20:44 <jamiem>        ussf2010_org?
Aug 24 15:20:57 <mallory1>      ussf2010_org
Aug 24 15:21:02 <jamiem>        yup :)
Aug 24 15:21:20 <jamiem>        next comes the grant statement for the user.
Aug 24 15:21:42 <jamiem>        GRANT ALL ON ussf2010_org.* to 'ussf2010_org'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'random-password';
Aug 24 15:22:25 <jamiem>        perfect.
Aug 24 15:22:29 <jamiem>        now we should be done with mysql
Aug 24 15:22:55 <jamiem>        and we can setup our directories. From here on out, we should be able to do everything as ussf2010-org user
Aug 24 15:23:04 <jamiem>        su ussf2010-org
Aug 24 15:23:13 <jamiem>        should be the easiest way to do that.
Aug 24 15:23:52 <jamiem>        woops - right, ussf2010-organize
Aug 24 15:24:12 <mallory1>      add keys?
Aug 24 15:25:00 <jamiem>        yup... let's start with mallory...
Aug 24 15:25:07 <jamiem>        then we can each take a turn copying and pasting our keys.
Aug 24 15:25:49 <jamiem>        i'll go next...
Aug 24 15:26:01 <jamiem>        ross ... 
Aug 24 15:26:29 <jamiem>        i think ssh might complain about the spaces 
Aug 24 15:26:57 <deleuzer>      oh need to enter my name
Aug 24 15:27:10 <jamiem>        yeah - also nano seems to have created line breaks that mallory is fixing.
Aug 24 15:27:11 <deleuzer>      or not
Aug 24 15:27:16 <jamiem>        it should all be on the same line
Aug 24 15:27:20 <jamiem>        your name is optional.
Aug 24 15:27:32 <jamiem>        it helps humans identify who's computer it is.
Aug 24 15:27:42 <jamiem>        it helps humans identify who's key it is.
Aug 24 15:27:46 <deleuzer>      should i put it in?
Aug 24 15:27:50 <jamiem>        yes - please.
Aug 24 15:28:15 <jamiem>        nano is confusing with line breaks.
Aug 24 15:28:45 <jamiem>        hang on - I think nano split that up again :(.
Aug 24 15:28:51 <deleuzer>      grr
Aug 24 15:29:13 <jamiem>        ok - try moving to the next line down
Aug 24 15:29:16 <jamiem>        then hit backspace
Aug 24 15:29:32 <jamiem>        that's right
Aug 24 15:29:45 <jamiem>        that worked for your user name - but the ssh-rsa part is still on a line by itself.
Aug 24 15:29:48 <jamiem>        so one more edit!
Aug 24 15:29:55 <jamiem>        perfect.
Aug 24 15:30:05 <jamiem>        cool... now we should all try logging in.
Aug 24 15:30:26 <mallory1>      ok ussf2010-organize@mendes.mayfirst.org
Aug 24 15:30:32 <jamiem>        yup
Aug 24 15:30:38 <jamiem>        i just got in.
Aug 24 15:31:15 <mallory1>      i'm in
Aug 24 15:31:29 <jamiem>        ross - do you want to give it a shot to be sure you can get in?
Aug 24 15:31:40 <jamiem>        mallory and I just opened separate terminal windows to test.
Aug 24 15:31:56 <deleuzer>      permission denied (publickey)
Aug 24 15:32:05 <jamiem>        hm... ok... can I drive now?
Aug 24 15:32:11 <mallory1>      yep
Aug 24 15:32:48 <jamiem>        looks like a typo in the key
Aug 24 15:32:51 <jamiem>        one sec...
Aug 24 15:33:28 <jamiem>        i'm going to simplify (since I'm root) and just copy your key from the root file.
Aug 24 15:33:52 <jamiem>        now i have root's authorized_keys file on top
Aug 24 15:33:59 <jamiem>        and ussf2010-organize file's on the bottom
Aug 24 15:34:13 <deleuzer>      careful or you'll convert me to vim
Aug 24 15:34:18 <jamiem>        ha!!
Aug 24 15:34:31 <jamiem>        ok.. try again?
Aug 24 15:34:41 <deleuzer>      success!
Aug 24 15:34:43 <jamiem>        looks good :)
Aug 24 15:35:03 <jamiem>        ok... i'm done. mallory - do you want to continue?
Aug 24 15:35:26 <mallory1>      ross, why don't you
Aug 24 15:35:49 <deleuzer>      okay...what next
Aug 24 15:36:01 <jamiem>        change into /srv/www/organize.ussf2010.org 
Aug 24 15:36:04 <jamiem>        cd
Aug 24 15:36:31 <jamiem>        now... I'm going to suggest a lazy method of copying more than you need (and getting some errors) and then just deleting what we don't need.
Aug 24 15:36:44 <deleuzer>      I like lazy
Aug 24 15:36:44 <jamiem>        the idea is that we want to copy the core drupal files from another drupal installation.
Aug 24 15:36:51 <jamiem>        but we don't want a lot of the extras.
Aug 24 15:36:54 <jamiem>        so...
Aug 24 15:37:05 <jamiem>        cp -r /srv/www/www.ussf2010.org/web/* web/
Aug 24 15:37:23 <jamiem>        you should get errors on some files that you don't have access to read (like settings.php)
Aug 24 15:37:36 <jamiem>        and you'll get all the modules and pictures and such that we don't need.
Aug 24 15:38:02 <jamiem>        ok.
Aug 24 15:38:11 <jamiem>        now cd into web directory and ls so we can survey the situation.
Aug 24 15:38:14 <jamiem>        you read my mind.
Aug 24 15:38:18 <jamiem>        yikes.
Aug 24 15:38:19 <deleuzer>      :)
Aug 24 15:38:26 <jamiem>        i was expecting symlinks not real directories.
Aug 24 15:38:29 <jamiem>        can you ls -l to be sure.
Aug 24 15:38:45 <jamiem>        hm. not great.
Aug 24 15:38:51 <jamiem>        can you ls -l /srv/www/www.ussf2010.org/web
Aug 24 15:39:10 <mallory1>      there's something to add onto the cp command to preserve symlinks
Aug 24 15:39:22 <deleuzer>      I copied the wrong directory
Aug 24 15:39:23 <jamiem>        deleuzer: I think you want rm -rf to avoid being asked for each one.
Aug 24 15:39:32 <jamiem>        also... try web/*
Aug 24 15:39:35 <jamiem>        rather than web
Aug 24 15:39:48 <jamiem>        ok... works anyone (since you don't have permission to deleted the web directory).
Aug 24 15:40:43 <deleuzer>      better?
Aug 24 15:40:47 <jamiem>        yes :)
Aug 24 15:40:52 <jamiem>        and it did the symlinks.
Aug 24 15:41:05 <jamiem>        ok... now, I would suggest rm -rf'ing the images directory.
Aug 24 15:41:37 <jamiem>        and now let's checkout sites.
Aug 24 15:41:41 <mallory1>      don't we want it to have the same theme?
Aug 24 15:41:57 <mallory1>      ah, this is in the directory above sites
Aug 24 15:41:57 <mallory1>      ok
Aug 24 15:42:05 <jamiem>        mallory1: hm... if those files are needed by the them I think we should move them into the theme directory.
Aug 24 15:42:18 <jamiem>        i think you want to delete the settings.php file.
Aug 24 15:42:32 <jamiem>        woops.
Aug 24 15:42:39 <jamiem>        try chmod 755 .
Aug 24 15:42:45 <jamiem>        to change the permission of the current directory.
Aug 24 15:43:14 <mallory1>      my themes always use images in the web directory but that's because i like clean css...but yeah. i am following and agree
Aug 24 15:43:19 <jamiem>        and now - try deleting everything in the modules directory.
Aug 24 15:43:37 <jamiem>        mallory1: ah - yeah, I think it's confusing, in fact if you let the them upload your logo, it probably goes in the files directory.
Aug 24 15:43:42 <jamiem>        yuck.
Aug 24 15:43:59 <jamiem>        excellent.
Aug 24 15:44:16 <jamiem>        yeah... let's kill these files.
Aug 24 15:44:26 <deleuzer>      everything?
Aug 24 15:44:27 <jamiem>        and if we need images, we can put them back from the www site.
Aug 24 15:44:56 <jamiem>        one last piece...
Aug 24 15:45:08 <jamiem>        when you copied the files from web/* - we missed web/.httaccess
Aug 24 15:45:14 <jamiem>        and we'll need the .htaccess file.
Aug 24 15:45:25 <jamiem>        so I think the last piece is to go back to the web directory and copy that symlink
Aug 24 15:45:58 <deleuzer>      where is it?
Aug 24 15:46:09 <jamiem>        cp /srv/www/www.ussf2010.org/web/.htaccess .
Aug 24 15:46:15 <deleuzer>      oh that web directory
Aug 24 15:46:53 <jamiem>        well done.
Aug 24 15:46:56 <jamiem>        i just remembered one more...
Aug 24 15:47:02 <jamiem>        the include/php5 directory.
Aug 24 15:47:07 <jamiem>        that should be up one directory from web
Aug 24 15:47:53 <deleuzer>      settings.php?
Aug 24 15:48:03 <jamiem>        that should be installed by the drupal web installer:
Aug 24 15:48:09 <jamiem>        http://organize.ussf2010.org/
Aug 24 15:48:18 <deleuzer>      ah okay
Aug 24 15:48:28 <deleuzer>      is that a command?
Aug 24 15:48:42 <deleuzer>      oh got it
Aug 24 15:48:48 <deleuzer>      english?
Aug 24 15:48:52 <mallory1>      yep
Aug 24 15:49:03 <jamiem>        do we remember the database user/pass??
Aug 24 15:49:40 <mallory1>      i don't have it on my clipboard, sorry
Aug 24 15:49:51 <jamiem>        np... we can reset it.
Aug 24 15:49:55 <mallory1>      um, yeah, we can reset? or is it in the terminal scrollback for anyone?
Aug 24 15:50:30 <jamiem>        i can't find it - we should probably reset it as root.
Aug 24 15:50:48 <deleuzer>      how to?
Aug 24 15:51:05 <jamiem>        first exit as the ussf2010-organize user with: exit
Aug 24 15:51:08 <jamiem>        then you should be root.
Aug 24 15:51:16 <jamiem>        then type: mysql to login to mysql as the root user
Aug 24 15:51:20 <jamiem>        then try:
Aug 24 15:51:29 <jamiem>        help set password
Aug 24 15:51:34 <jamiem>        i don't remember the exact syntax.
Aug 24 15:51:51 <jamiem>        SET PASSWORD FOR ussf2010_org = password('random-password')
Aug 24 15:52:00 <jamiem>        deleuzer: do you have the pwgen program installed?
Aug 24 15:52:08 <jamiem>        it's a useful way to generate random passwords.
Aug 24 15:52:15 <deleuzer>      not sure
Aug 24 15:52:35 <jamiem>        the password('random-password') function translates the password into a hashed password used by mysql - so mysql doesn't have to store a plain text password.
Aug 24 15:52:42 <deleuzer>      I do now
Aug 24 15:52:45 <jamiem>        deleuzer: try typing on the command line: pwgen
Aug 24 15:52:48 <jamiem>        ok - cool.
Aug 24 15:53:53 <deleuzer>      is that correct?
Aug 24 15:54:27 <deleuzer>      are we good?
Aug 24 15:55:02 <jamiem>        missing a semi colon :)
Aug 24 15:55:23 <jamiem>        i think you'll need to re-run the command :)
Aug 24 15:55:41 <jamiem>        ah...
Aug 24 15:55:52 <jamiem>        try 'ussf2010_org'@'localhost'
Aug 24 15:56:00 <jamiem>        instead of ussf2010_org
Aug 24 15:56:08 <jamiem>        without the spaces
Aug 24 15:56:16 <jamiem>        i know - it's counter-intuitive.
Aug 24 15:56:37 <jamiem>        success!
Aug 24 15:56:52 <mallory1>      nice work
Aug 24 15:57:22 <deleuzer>      what's our root account?
Aug 24 15:57:28 <jamiem>        try without the .org
Aug 24 15:57:32 <jamiem>        perfect.
Aug 24 15:57:38 <jamiem>        now you should be able to complete the web-based install.
Aug 24 15:58:01 <deleuzer>      db name?
Aug 24 15:58:08 <jamiem>        ussf2010_org
Aug 24 15:58:16 <jamiem>        that's also the username.
Aug 24 15:59:27 <deleuzer>      site email address?
Aug 24 15:59:52 <jamiem>        i think we've setup web@ussf2010.org... let me double check...
Aug 24 16:00:51 <jamiem>        nope... we have community-web@ussf2010.org and info@ussf2010.org.
Aug 24 16:01:01 <jamiem>        one sec...
Aug 24 16:02:29 <jamiem>        should we create a new email account?
Aug 24 16:02:41 <jamiem>        or should we create a single web@ussf2010.org account for all sites?
Aug 24 16:03:02 <mallory1>      yes, i think we could use it
Aug 24 16:03:16 <mallory1>      if people have problems with the site?
Aug 24 16:03:27 <mallory1>      what do you think, jamiem?
Aug 24 16:03:34 <jamiem>        yeah - any email generated by the site would have, by default, that outgoing email.
Aug 24 16:03:46 <jamiem>        so - if people reply - it's good to have someone who gets it :).
Aug 24 16:04:02 <jamiem>        i think that makes sense: creating web@ussf2010.org
Aug 24 16:04:10 <deleuzer>      go for it.
Aug 24 16:04:17 <jamiem>        i could have it start off pointing to the three of us with the idea that we could change it later on.
Aug 24 16:04:39 <deleuzer>      I'm cool with that.
Aug 24 16:04:43 <jamiem>        ok... done.
Aug 24 16:05:11 <deleuzer>      admin account?
Aug 24 16:05:19 <deleuzer>      usr name
Aug 24 16:05:22 <jamiem>        let's use the username: admin (ince and simple)
Aug 24 16:05:36 <deleuzer>      pw?
Aug 24 16:05:42 <jamiem>        pwgen
Aug 24 16:05:51 <jamiem>        you should automatically login during the install ross.
Aug 24 16:06:01 <jamiem>        then, you can create accounts for mallory and I.
Aug 24 16:06:14 <jamiem>        and then create an "admin" role that has access to everything and put us in that role.
Aug 24 16:06:41 <jamiem>        (and also create an account for yourself) - this way we never use the admin account, but we all have the ability to reset the password if we need to be user with uid 1)
Aug 24 16:07:01 <libkuman>      hey all, sorry for not being more present, and even more sorry that i now  have to run off to a doctor's appointment, i'll read the channel when i get back later tonight, good luck and thanks for all of y'alls work
Aug 24 16:08:04 <jamiem>        hey libkuman - I was wondering where you were ;)
Aug 24 16:08:12 <jamiem>        hope the dr.'s appt goes well.
Aug 24 16:10:07 <deleuzer>      email addresses you want associated?
Aug 24 16:10:25 <deleuzer>      and/or usrnames
Aug 24 16:11:53 <jamiem>        user: jamie, email: jm@mayfirst.org
Aug 24 16:11:56 <jamiem>        thnx.
Aug 24 16:12:15 <deleuzer>      okay set jamiem your password is user name
Aug 24 16:12:24 <mallory1>      user: mallory, email: mallory@mayfirst.org
Aug 24 16:12:49 <deleuzer>      mallory1, you're set
Aug 24 16:12:57 <deleuzer>      pw = user
Aug 24 16:14:44 <mallory1>      the modules we neell are cck, views, webform, og
Aug 24 16:14:57 <jamiem>        yes - do you want to get started on that mallory1 ?
Aug 24 16:17:32 <deleuzer>      can we install pathauto as well?
Aug 24 16:17:55 <jamiem>        sounds good to me.
Aug 24 16:20:24 <jamiem>        brb... dealing with emergency on mandela...
Aug 24 16:21:05 <mallory1>      ok ready to enable modules from drupal side
Aug 24 16:21:18 <mallory1>      deleuzer, can you do this?
Aug 24 16:21:29 <deleuzer>      sure
Aug 24 16:22:43 <deleuzer>      what do we want enabled?
Aug 24 16:22:59 <mallory1>      the four modules that i just downloaded and installed on the server
Aug 24 16:23:30 <deleuzer>      oh okay
Aug 24 16:25:24 <deleuzer>      I enabled translation as well
Aug 24 16:26:13 <deleuzer>      mallory1, could you put admin menu on as well?
Aug 24 16:30:53 <deleuzer>      mallory1, nm I got it
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Aug 24 16:32:51 <jamiem>        i think mallory was having some wireless issues.
Aug 24 16:33:39 <deleuzer>      jamiem, that's what I guessed
Aug 24 16:33:58 <deleuzer>      okay we should be up and running now
Aug 24 16:34:14 <deleuzer>      ready to create a webform?
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Aug 24 16:35:19 <deleuzer>      mallory1, welcome back!
Aug 24 16:35:30 <deleuzer>      we should be ready to go
Aug 24 16:35:37 <jamiem>        yes - sounds good to me... sorry I'm only have here now as I try to deal with mandela...
Aug 24 16:35:51 <deleuzer>      uh oh...
Aug 24 16:36:15 <deleuzer>      I think we should first create a group NPC?
Aug 24 16:36:37 <deleuzer>      I don't know who will be in the group...except us for now
Aug 24 16:36:54 <deleuzer>      Then we can limit access to the form based on that group..
Aug 24 16:37:02 <deleuzer>      does this seem okay?
Aug 24 16:37:32 <deleuzer>      or do we want to test the form first?
Aug 24 16:38:31 <deleuzer>      Okay, I'm just going to create the form first.
Aug 24 16:39:45 <jamiem>        i think that makes sense.
Aug 24 16:40:24 <deleuzer>      I'm just going to set up a simple vote Yes/No option.
Aug 24 16:43:15 <mallory1>      oh, i didn't install webform, deleuzer
Aug 24 16:43:20 <mallory1>      do you need me to do that?
Aug 24 16:43:42 <deleuzer>      mallory1, everything's installed check it out http://organize.ussf2010.org/content/test-form-vote
Aug 24 16:46:12 <deleuzer>      here to view analysis, http://organize.ussf2010.org/node/1/webform-results
Aug 24 16:47:03 <deleuzer>      mallory1, do we know what questions really need to be on the form?
Aug 24 16:47:03 <mallory1>      so we're getting distracted in the mfpl office. it's almost 5. is it possible for us to resume this work tomorrow? what do we need to get the rating system in place?
Aug 24 16:47:21 <deleuzer>      mallory1, what is the rating system?
Aug 24 16:47:32 <mallory1>      none at all whatsoever at this point, deleuzer ;) i'm waiting for rishi to get back to me sometime on thursday night.
Aug 24 16:47:59 <mallory1>      voting? is the npc voting by yes/no? rishi would like relevancy: 1 - 10
Aug 24 16:48:24 <deleuzer>      Oh...okay let me do that so we can look at it
Aug 24 16:48:37 <deleuzer>      I'll give you a shout when I'm done
Aug 24 16:58:30 <deleuzer>      mallory1, okay it's in place I submitted a few votes just to give an example.
Aug 24 17:03:16 <mallory1>      looks great. now, can we use views to make it sensible? for example. this will work for the npc no problem.
Aug 24 17:03:58 <mallory1>      but we want to keep things really open for the program/culture request. like having threaded comments, and giving voters instant feedback on how the averages are shaping up as the poll stays open for 1 month
Aug 24 17:05:32 <mallory1>      we might need cck for tracks.
Aug 24 17:06:09 <mallory1>      let's table that
Aug 24 17:06:24 <deleuzer>      sorry I was screwing around 
Aug 24 17:07:10 <deleuzer>      mallory1,  Maybe you're right, do you want to return to the question tomorrow?
Aug 24 17:07:49 <mallory1>      yes
Aug 24 17:07:55 <deleuzer>      time?
Aug 24 17:08:09 <mallory1>      i am looking at the permissions...but let's yeah, talk about that tomorrow.
Aug 24 17:08:22 <mallory1>      i'm here after 2. does that work for you?
Aug 24 17:08:37 <deleuzer>      Sure that would be fine.
Aug 24 17:09:17 <deleuzer>      Anything else we should do between now and then?
Aug 24 17:10:33 <mallory1>      can you help us get the existing www theme working?
Aug 24 17:11:24 <deleuzer>      yeah I can take care of that
Aug 24 17:11:28 <mallory1>      i'm going to start investigating the $10,000 question and see if i can get the cck/views needs mapped out
Aug 24 17:11:34 <mallory1>      thanks! that's so excellent
Aug 24 17:12:09 <mallory1>      i can also put up our transcript w/ notes on the ict site
Aug 24 17:12:33 <deleuzer>      mallory1, don't give up on webforms just yet....it might be more flexible than you think.
Aug 24 17:14:01 <mallory1>      ok. i absolutely think it is the right option for the npc apps. and it's also sure that using php we could display the results. so yeah, i'm keeping an open mind. largely because i think views is way to robust of a module.
Aug 24 17:16:46 <deleuzer>      mallory1, I know what you mean about views and cck.  I just want to make this as easy to create and painless as possible (mainly for the not-techies).
Aug 24 17:18:15 <mallory1>      deleuzer, my sentiments exactly
Aug 24 17:37:19 <jamiem>        hey ross - do you think you could post a log of this session to the wiki?
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